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Thread: What Leather Grip Should I get for my Schiller Euphonium?

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    A band director/tuba player I played with commented that it's better to not use it since it will affect the resonance and response of the horn.

    So I guess DIY solutions might not always be the best ideas?

    Wonder if reducing the area being converted by the guard would minimise that. Like I can live without the guard, just need the strap.

    Anyone has any thoughts about guards and hand strap affecting the response and sound of the horn?
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII, Yamaha EP100
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL,Arnolds & sons 6 1/2 AL-B

  2. #12
    From what I’ve read here, there is agreement that it could affect your horn’s resonance and tone, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
    Clayton M.
    Musician for Fun
    Euphonium Newbie - XO 1270S
    Trumpet Novice - XO 1602RS

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton M. View Post
    From what I’ve read here, there is agreement that it could affect your horn’s resonance and tone, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
    Huh, I must have missed that. was scouring through the threads on hand guards but don't recall see that being discussed.

    So I tried both with and without guards earlier, couldn't really tell the difference myself. But just to be safe, I removed the top guard and kept the one with the strap. Will see what happens during rehearsal over the weekend.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII, Yamaha EP100
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL,Arnolds & sons 6 1/2 AL-B

  4. #14
    There was a thread I started titled Regarding Guards not too long ago that got some feedback to that effect.
    Clayton M.
    Musician for Fun
    Euphonium Newbie - XO 1270S
    Trumpet Novice - XO 1602RS

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton M. View Post
    There was a thread I started titled Regarding Guards not too long ago that got some feedback to that effect.
    Found it, thank you! That was definitely a thread I missed. Then again, I was looking at straps instead of guards.

    Hmm interesting, so most of the replies said that the difference should be negligible.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII, Yamaha EP100
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL,Arnolds & sons 6 1/2 AL-B

  6. #16
    Large guards would have an effect on tone IMHO. I experienced that myself when I used to make my own. I had a leather guard that went around the bell, and it spanned from the joint at the bottom of the bell up to the leadpipe. The tone was just a bit different when I used that guard. The one I made that went around the 3rd valve's slide tubes did not seem to matter at all.

    But now I don't use the bell guard at all. I DO use the hand strap from Valerie Wells and I would not play without it. The strap wraps around my horn on the large bow, right where two braces are affixed (the one for the 3rd valve's slide tube and the one for the tuning slide tube). So that area is already "braced" and can't vibrate as freely as the unencumbered spans. The Adams is all about resonance and vibrations, and I don't find that the strap makes any difference.

    Here is the strap I'm talking about:

    http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...uph-Strap-quot

    You can see the strap in action on this video:

    This Nearly Was Mine from South Pacific
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams E3, Denis Wick 4AL (classic)
    Instructor of Euphonium and Tuba
    Twitter: davewerden
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    YouTube: dwerden
    Owner of TubaEuph.com, DWerden.com

  7. #17
    Thanks for the input, sir! Think I will try and see how to make sure my strap is as near to the braced area. Makes sense though! The braced area shouldn't be vibrating as freely as the rest of the tubes that aren't connected to any braces, so I should be able to minimize the effect a little bit more.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: JP 274 MKII, Yamaha EP100
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL,Arnolds & sons 6 1/2 AL-B

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    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    ...You can see the strap in action on this video:

    This Nearly Was Mine from South Pacific
    I noticed you playing the in the staff G 1&2. This seems different from most of what I have seen from you, especially when the G is held a bit. Have you found the intonation on the E3 sufficiently good for the G to use 1&2 instead of 3? That G plays pretty well in tune on my E3 using 1&2. Nice playing as always.
    John Morgan
    The U.S. Army Band (Pershing's Own) 1971-1976
    Adams E3 Custom Series Euphonium, Wessex EP-100 Dolce Euphonium, 1956 B&H Imperial Euphonium
    Yamaha YBL-822G Bass Trombone, Edwards T396-A Tenor Trombone, Yamaha YSL-891Z Jazz Trombone
    Wessex TE-360 Bombino Eb Tuba
    Rapid City New Horizons & Municipal Bands (Euphonium)
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    Black Hills Brass Quintet (Tuba)

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by John Morgan View Post
    I noticed you playing the in the staff G 1&2. This seems different from most of what I have seen from you, especially when the G is held a bit. Have you found the intonation on the E3 sufficiently good for the G to use 1&2 instead of 3? That G plays pretty well in tune on my E3 using 1&2. Nice playing as always.
    Thanks, John. On my E3, 12 is usable in many contexts, but I still like 3. Kinda depends on my mood! In the video below, you'll see I use 3rd on the first song. But in the second song I used 12 because it was a melodic transition from 23. However, I think it was a bit too sharp - didn't notice it until it was too late.

    "Flying" Medley
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams E3, Denis Wick 4AL (classic)
    Instructor of Euphonium and Tuba
    Twitter: davewerden
    Facebook: davewerden
    YouTube: dwerden
    Owner of TubaEuph.com, DWerden.com

  10. I just received guards for my Yamaha 321. I wish they had pictures of placement on the LSCO website. I am having difficulty installing the 3rd valve section guard and the left hand 4th valve guard. I think I did the right hand bar guard and the 1st valve thumb guard correctly. Anyone have suggestions?

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