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  • Fondles97
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2015
    • 10

    Myfanwy- Recording

    Hey guys!
    I'm just approaching my end of school exams in Newcastle (18 years old), NSW, Australia. I recently played at a charity concert and a recording of my playing was put up on youtube.

    Would love for you guys to give me any feedback! I want to improve my playing so I can be the best I can so I'm open to any and all constructive criticism!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFJp...ature=youtu.be
  • cochranme
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 292

    #2
    Hi Tom,

    Very well done. Your love for the piece really comes across in the performance. You do a lot of things very well. I especially like the quality of the sound that you're getting across the register. It's difficult to make a lot of comments based on a video recording as it always changes the sound a bit, but there are 3 things that stick out to me. First is intonation, mostly on the dreaded 6th partial pitches. (Eb, E, and F concert) I noticed that you play a horn without a main tuning slide trigger, so you're going to have to learn to buzz these notes in tune even when the horn doesn't want to. 2nd, take a look at your posture. You are really hunched over from the shoulders up when you play. That's going to create tension and add to your pitch issues. Make sure that you're bringing the horn all the way to you. Don't bring yourself to the horn. 3rd, have you explored adding some vibrato to your playing? With the great sound that you have I think that this would make your performance even better. Hope this helps and keep up the fine playing!

    Martin

    p.s. I don't know if you ever get the chance to work with Matt Van Emmerik, but if so please tell him I said hello!
    Martin Cochran
    Adams Performing Artist
    mceuph75@gmail.com

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    • RickF
      Moderator
      • Jan 2006
      • 3869

      #3
      Hi Tom,

      Sounded good! I can tell you really enjoy playing that piece as I see your eyes close at times (really into the music). Martin gave you excellent feedback above.

      "Myfanwy" has been a favorite of mine ever since I heard Riki McDonnell play this on his CD, "Euphonium Songbook".
      Rick Floyd
      Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

      "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
      Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

      El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
      The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
      Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)

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      • Fondles97
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2015
        • 10

        #4
        Originally posted by cochranme View Post
        Hi Tom,

        Very well done. Your love for the piece really comes across in the performance. You do a lot of things very well. I especially like the quality of the sound that you're getting across the register. It's difficult to make a lot of comments based on a video recording as it always changes the sound a bit, but there are 3 things that stick out to me. First is intonation, mostly on the dreaded 6th partial pitches. (Eb, E, and F concert) I noticed that you play a horn without a main tuning slide trigger, so you're going to have to learn to buzz these notes in tune even when the horn doesn't want to. 2nd, take a look at your posture. You are really hunched over from the shoulders up when you play. That's going to create tension and add to your pitch issues. Make sure that you're bringing the horn all the way to you. Don't bring yourself to the horn. 3rd, have you explored adding some vibrato to your playing? With the great sound that you have I think that this would make your performance even better. Hope this helps and keep up the fine playing!

        Martin

        p.s. I don't know if you ever get the chance to work with Matt Van Emmerik, but if so please tell him I said hello!
        Hey thanks heaps for the advice! I'll take that all into consideration and apply it in my practice! On the vibrato point though- I used to use too much vibrato, it got to the point where it was just a constant warble and not a good effect so in the last 3 months I've completely taken it away from my playing and I'm going to bring it back slowly to make sure that I only use it as a decoration rather than overusing it

        Some advice on good vibrato workouts would be greatly appreciated though!

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        • Euphearted
          Member
          • Sep 2012
          • 138

          #5
          When I saw the word "Myfanwy" the first thing it brought to mind was the British poet Edward Thomas, who named his youngest daughter that (Thomas gave all three of his children Welsh names). And then I immediately fell into the trap of thinking the composer was Sir Hubert Parry. Wikipedia not only set me straight on who is the composer but also clued me in that there are a LOT of Myfanwys scattered across history.
          Harry Nuttall

          Bach Stradivarius New York model 8II tenor trombone #28xx
          Besson New Standard #438xxx
          Besson "Prototype" euphonium #510xx
          Conn 30I Wonderphone double-belled euphonium #327xxx
          Hawkes & Son Excelsior Sonorous #534xx
          Holton Revelation euphonium #753xx
          Holton Revelation euphonium #797xx

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          • John Lebens
            Junior Member
            • May 2013
            • 27

            #6
            6th partial (Eb, E, and F)

            Martin,
            When you talk about the dreaded 6th partial pitches. ( Eb, E, and F) are you referring to concert
            ( Eb - 311.127 hz, E - 329.6 hz, and F - 349.2 hz ) ? Unfortunately I play Treble Clef so I am totally unfamiliar with the Bass clef notes. My Eb, E, & F are written as F, F#, & G. And since I am playing nine notes below what I am reading it is easy to get confused when people talk about certain notes. I wish that everyone, when they refer to a specific note, would also refer to it's respective frequency. This might be asking too much but it would certainly eliminate any confusion.

            By the way Tom, you did a fantastic job on this piece!

            John
            Very well done. Your love for the piece really comes across in the performance. You do a lot of things very well. I especially like the quality of the sound that you're getting across the register. It's difficult to make a lot of comments based on a video recording as it always changes the sound a bit, but there are 3 things that stick out to me. First is intonation, mostly on the dreaded 6th partial pitches. (Eb, E, and F concert) I noticed that you play a horn without a main tuning slide trigger, so you're going to have to learn to buzz these notes in tune even when the horn doesn't want to. 2nd, take a look at your posture. You are really hunched over from the shoulders up when you play. That's going to create tension and add to your pitch issues. Make sure that you're bringing the horn all the way to you. Don't bring yourself to the horn. 3rd, have you explored adding some vibrato to your playing? With the great sound that you have I think that this would make your performance even better. Hope this helps and keep up the fine playing!

            Martin

            p.s. I don't know if you ever get the chance to work with Matt Van Emmerik, but if so please tell him I said hello!
            Last edited by RickF; 07-27-2015, 03:51 PM.
            Yamaha YEP 321 and Schilke 51D

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            • RickF
              Moderator
              • Jan 2006
              • 3869

              #7
              Hi John,

              I'm not Martin, but the notes Martin is referring to are the notes at the top of the transposed treble clef staff. Your 'F', 'F#' and 'G'. Yes, I think that's the right freq you listed. To keep from confusing people most folks refer to concert pitch... which is one note lower than transposed treble clef PLUS an octave - or sounds a 9th lower.

              Hope this helps.
              Last edited by RickF; 07-27-2015, 04:11 PM.
              Rick Floyd
              Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

              "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
              Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

              El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
              The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
              Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)

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              • adrian_quince
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2015
                • 277

                #8
                Hi Tom,

                First off, beautiful job! Echoing Martin, your passion for the piece really comes through. In addition, I love the energy you bring into the louder section.

                A couple of thoughts, though:

                1. Your repeated notes sound static to me in a few spots because they're the same volume and articulation. As a general rule, I like to make sure I'm either slightly increasing or decreasing the intensity of repeated notes to give shape to the phrase.
                2. For clarity's sake, you might want to give just a bit of a break between the dotted eighths and the sixteenths following. (Daah DaDaaa... vs. DaaaaDaDaaa...)

                Hope this helps.

                Best,
                Adrian L. Quince
                Composer, Conductor, Euphoniumist
                www.adrianquince.com

                Kanstul 976 - SM4U

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                • Fondles97
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 10

                  #9
                  Originally posted by adrian_quince View Post
                  Hi Tom,

                  First off, beautiful job! Echoing Martin, your passion for the piece really comes through. In addition, I love the energy you bring into the louder section.

                  A couple of thoughts, though:

                  1. Your repeated notes sound static to me in a few spots because they're the same volume and articulation. As a general rule, I like to make sure I'm either slightly increasing or decreasing the intensity of repeated notes to give shape to the phrase.
                  2. For clarity's sake, you might want to give just a bit of a break between the dotted eighths and the sixteenths following. (Daah DaDaaa... vs. DaaaaDaDaaa...)

                  Hope this helps.

                  Best,
                  Hey thanks heaps! I'll definitely use that first point!
                  This is such a dumb question but I'm pretty sure a 16th is a quaver right? Sorry haha us Aussies don't have your American swagger in regards to the naming of note values :P

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                  • Mederlock
                    Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 69

                    #10
                    A 1/16th note is a semiquaver, actually, and an 1/8th note is a quaver
                    Michael Lajeunesse
                    Wessex Dolce in Lacquer, Dennis Wick 4AL with DW 'tone booster' MP sleeve
                    Cosmopolitan Music Society of Edmonton, euphonium section

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                    • RickF
                      Moderator
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 3869

                      #11
                      Here's a chart that can help:

                      British nomenclature of musical note lengths:

                      Rick Floyd
                      Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

                      "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
                      Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

                      El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
                      The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
                      Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)

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