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  1. #1
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    FS Adams Euph

    Not entirely sure which model or options
    But Tuba Exchange is selling a silver plated Adams Euphonium Demo
    http://www.tubaexchange.com/euphoniu...er-plated-bell
    Marco Santos - Marcher and Performer
    Guardians Drum & Bugle Corps 2015
    Blue Knights Drum & Bugle Corps 2016, 20i7, 2018

    Adams E1
    Modified Schilke 52E2 by Justin Gorodetzky

  2. I emailed them to inquire about this instrument. At first they had a picture of a silver-bell Adams which did not match the description.

    It is the .50mm thickness, entirely silver plated, and they said it had no dents or defects. I think it is a good buy.

    However, it was fortunate (or maybe unfortunate?) timing in that another customer had just returned a .60 mm horn with the silver bell. Of course it was more expensive, but the people at Tuba Exchange seemed really nice to work with, and overcome with delusions of adequacy I bought it. I don't have it yet but it should be on the way from North Carolina. I am really looking forward to it.

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    Congratulations on the purchase! I hope it arrives soon so you can dig right in. Let us know how it goes.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
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  4. Great decision! You only go around once in life Here's to many enjoyable years of elevated tooting mojo -- grins!
    Bob Tampa FL USA
    Euph -- 1984 B&H Round Stamp Sovereign 967 / 1978 Besson NS 767 / Early 90s Sterling MP: 4AL and GW Carbonaria
    Tuba -- 2014 Wisemann 900 CC / 2013 Mack 410 MP: Blokepiece Symphony American Shank and 33.2 #2 Rim

  5. Thanks! I am pretty pumped about it. I had a little trouble justifying a top of the line instrument for an amateur like me but Bob makes a good point. I do intend to share my impressions from an amateur's point of view. I will never part with my old Besson and I really like the sound, etc. but I do find it frustrating not being able to play certain notes in tune. I am hoping the Adams will help with that and also provide a boost to my tooting mojo in general. More to come...

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    Congratulations Daniel! I felt the same way as you when I purchased a new horn last year. Hard to justify sometimes.

    Let us know your impressions once you become familiar with your new horn.
    Rick Floyd
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    Of course value (i.e. $$$) is always a personal decision. There are some pros who just like their old horns and don't buy newer ones, even though their playing level would seem to justify it. If anyone wants to try to justify it in business terms, they will be hard put to do so. Will a pro start making more money if he gets a little better horn? Probably not. A better horn might make his job easier and might allow him to stretch some performance ideas, but that's not exactly a measurable ROI situation.

    For an amateur, your primary reason for playing is not making money. In fact, if you play in a brass band (and some community bands) you actually pay for the privilege. So there is no ROI in monetary terms. HOWEVER, there is an unmeasurable but still very real ROI if you count personal satisfaction and fun.

    Suppose you're not the best player in the world, or maybe not the best player in your local band. If you compare a horn like the Adams to an old horn you are now playing (possibly something like a Yamaha 321 or even an old Besson), the new horn will make it easier for you to get notes out consistently and will play them better in tune inherently. Any that are out of tune will require much less work to correct once you are used to the horn. And the tone might be better, and it will almost certainly be more consistent across the range of the instrument. Aren't those worthwhile improvements? Surely they give you a return on your investment in the realm of satisfaction and the joy of making music.

    So each of us must decide if the investment is worth it, and that decision is not usually based on a dollar-based ROI. If buying a new horn can make you sound X% better immediately, it's worth something. And if you are gradually getting better through diligent practice, but the new horn puts you a year or two ahead in your development, it's worth something.

    The key in my mind to anyone's decision is not their playing ability. It is their appreciation ability. If you can appreciate the difference, that's what counts. All you have to decide is how easily you can afford it.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece (DC3)
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  8. Euph Question for You

    Quote Originally Posted by davewerden View Post
    Of course value (i.e. $$$) is always a personal decision. There are some pros who just like their old horns and don't buy newer ones, even though their playing level would seem to justify it. If anyone wants to try to justify it in business terms, they will be hard put to do so. Will a pro start making more money if he gets a little better horn? Probably not. A better horn might make his job easier and might allow him to stretch some performance ideas, but that's not exactly a measurable ROI situation.

    For an amateur, your primary reason for playing is not making money. In fact, if you play in a brass band (and some community bands) you actually pay for the privilege. So there is no ROI in monetary terms. HOWEVER, there is an unmeasurable but still very real ROI if you count personal satisfaction and fun.

    Suppose you're not the best player in the world, or maybe not the best player in your local band. If you compare a horn like the Adams to an old horn you are now playing (possibly something like a Yamaha 321 or even an old Besson), the new horn will make it easier for you to get notes out consistently and will play them better in tune inherently. Any that are out of tune will require much less work to correct once you are used to the horn. And the tone might be better, and it will almost certainly be more consistent across the range of the instrument. Aren't those worthwhile improvements? Surely they give you a return on your investment in the realm of satisfaction and the joy of making music.

    So each of us must decide if the investment is worth it, and that decision is not usually based on a dollar-based ROI. If buying a new horn can make you sound X% better immediately, it's worth something. And if you are gradually getting better through diligent practice, but the new horn puts you a year or two ahead in your development, it's worth something.

    The key in my mind to anyone's decision is not their playing ability. It is their appreciation ability. If you can appreciate the difference, that's what counts. All you have to decide is how easily you can afford it.
    They have an Adams gold brass for sale. Thoughts? I have two Bessons (Prestige and an old silver plate Sovereign) I could trade or sell but was not sure if this is the way to go. The Prestige has the tuning trigger but sometimes it isn't enough for me. Is the Adams a lot better in the sixth partial? Or is it better to wait for something like your setup with the sterling bell? Thanks. Tim

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Brassman123 View Post
    They have an Adams gold brass for sale. Thoughts? I have two Bessons (Prestige and an old silver plate Sovereign) I could trade or sell but was not sure if this is the way to go. The Prestige has the tuning trigger but sometimes it isn't enough for me. Is the Adams a lot better in the sixth partial? Or is it better to wait for something like your setup with the sterling bell? Thanks. Tim
    If you buy the Adams, I would keep the Prestige until you can play them side by side and determine which works better for you. They are both great instruments, but the player determines which is the best for him/her self, depending on taste and playing style. Without a trigger, on Adams, the sixth partial concert F is pretty good, but the sixth partial E flat, in my experience, can still be sharp. The Adams is built -- again in my experience -- a little flatter than most euphoniums. My E2 takes no slide pull when cold, and in a winter-cold band room is flat until warmed up. When fully warmed up, I almost never pull more than 3/8".

    That said, I play an E2 Adams with silver bell, and would not switch.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Brassman123 View Post
    The Prestige has the tuning trigger but sometimes it isn't enough for me.
    I meant to mention this earlier. Are you saying that you can't get the Prestige in tune on the 6th partial, even with the trigger? I wonder if it adjusted correctly. The Prestige is sharp there, but the trigger seems to handle it for most players.

    I mention it because it's possible for a player, out of habit or whatever, to push notes sharper than the horn actually wants to be. If that is what's going on here then you need to address that or you will find any horn to be too sharp.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece (DC3)
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