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  1. #81
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    This whole business about what horns are "professional" is a digression.
    Over my entire career as a performer, I have made 85% of my euph-playing
    income playing a Yamaha 321. (Avatar pic was taken at an outdoor quintet gig. I play the horn parts and do most of the arrangements)
    Nobody outside the "euphonium bubble" or "academic bubble" knows or cares what horn someone plays.
    They just want to hear the tune.
    I've been playing for pay for almost 40 years. NOT ONE person in a regular audience
    (outside the "euphonium bubble" or "academic bubble") has asked me what type of horn I played.
    Most people had no idea what a euphonium is, let alone cared that I wasn't playing a Willson.

    Having said that, I never once even contemplated leaving my very nice day job! ;-) ;-)
    Yamaha 642-II Neo, Wedge 103A/Wick 4AL
    Yamaha 321, Yamaha 621 Baritone
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by ChristianeSparkle View Post
    I am sorry for derailing the thread into the whole discussion about what constitutes an "Intermediate" horn and a "professional" horn. Just brought it out because it was a discussion I had just some time ago and I was rather confused/fascinating to hear someone say that many of the horns are considered "intermediate" to that person. Aside from price, he said he can perceive a significant difference in workmanship and the sound that comes out of the horns to classify them as such (e.g. between Neo and Customs/Adams/Geneva OldRoy/Miraphone. Anyway, apologies!


    Returning to the topic at hand, I've noticed people have been bringing up the leadpipe placement on the Customs, is it possible (or even easy), for any technicians to re-adjust the leadpipe if, say, we bring it to a workshop?
    It all depends on location. In some areas, where they are BIG on band instruments and big on spending on them, they consider anything not top of the line to be "intermediate". So trombone players with "just" a Bach 42BO? nope you gotta have an Edwards or Shires or Rath. In high school. So when they see that there is a Euphonium that is appreciably more expensive, well that means it's gotta be better, and that the other one must be "intermediate".

    These are people unfamiliar with things such as the law of diminishing returns, and also Custom/Artisan vs professional. As many say, "you make it professional".

    Regarding the leadpipe, I guess it would depend on how it is attached. Most of the horns I see now have "floating" leadpipes, while my Sterling has a leadpipe that is soldered the whole length to the bell almost. Floating would definitely be easier to move, BUT would definitely entail bending the pipe a bit. Also there's that whole thing with silver plating and solder work, which can be annoying.
    Sterling / Perantucci 1065HGS - Hammond 11L , Bach 42T - Laskey 59MD, Kanstul 1588CR - Hammond 11ML, Yamaha YBL-612 RII - Faxx 1 1/2G

  3. #83
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    Superted,
    Please see the discussion here about the tuning slide...just as it is a compromise designed to fit a generic player, so is the mouthpiece a compromise to fit a generic player. I didn't like the 51L when I bought my Neo so I swapped the dealer for a Wick 4. Now I use the Wick 4 equivalent of the Wedge and like it a lot.
    I wouldn't necessarily call the SM3 a bucket--many players use 3s or equivalent from orher manufacturers. I used a 3 and a 3.5 for quite a while with my Miraphone 5050.
    Yamaha 642-II Neo, Wedge 103A/Wick 4AL
    Yamaha 321, Yamaha 621 Baritone
    Conn 50H trombone
    Blue P-bone
    www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

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    Does anyone know if the Neo has undergone any developments/refinements since its issue? If so, what were they?
    ALSO: I can't find any info on Yamaha serial numbers--do they still have that goofy policy of not releasing serial number info?
    Last edited by Snorlax; 08-07-2019 at 01:46 PM.
    Yamaha 642-II Neo, Wedge 103A/Wick 4AL
    Yamaha 321, Yamaha 621 Baritone
    Conn 50H trombone
    Blue P-bone
    www.soundcloud.com/jweuph

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    Does anyone know if the Neo has undergone any developments/refinements since its issue? If so, what were they?
    ALSO: I can't find any info on Yamaha serial numbers--do they still have that goofy policy of not releasing serial number info?
    I feel your pain on the Sterling side of things. I've been trying to date my Sterling Virtuoso euphonium for years to no avail. Paul Riggett has told me a couple times he'd look it up but he's never followed through.
    James Kircoff
    Genesee Wind Symphony - principal euphonium (Sterling Virtuoso 1065HS and Adams E1 Custom w/ Parker 4G Houser)
    Capital City Brass Band (2019 NABBA 2nd section champions) - 1st baritone (Besson BE956 w/ Denis Wick 6BY) and 10 piece ensemble (Getzen 1052FD w/ Bach 1G)

  6. #86
    I just found out Steven Walsh is no longer a Yamaha Artist and he just put up his Neo for sale on Facebook. I wonder what he's switching to?
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: Yamaha 642II Neo - 千歌音, JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianeSparkle View Post
    I just found out Steven Walsh is no longer a Yamaha Artist and he just put up his Neo for sale on Facebook. I wonder what he's switching to?
    I'm trying to find out. It's possible he is just getting a newer model with a trigger, for example, but I'll update here if I learn more.
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams E3, Denis Wick 4AL (classic)
    Instructor of Euphonium and Tuba
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    Owner of TubaEuph.com, DWerden.com

  8. #88
    I've had the pleasure to play a Yamaha 642 Neo (without trigger) for a few hours lately & even tested it out in band rehearsals.I was blown away by how the horn handles. Compared to my own horn, the Besson Sovereign & Sterling Virtuoso with red brass bell (both of which I got to play for half an hour earlier in the year), it felt like it took less effort to make it do what I wanted to do. The Besson Sovereign and Sterling Virtuoso definitely sounded and handled better than my JP, but it felt like I still needed considerable effort to slot and shape the notes. The Neo felt like it handled differently from them all.

    Ergonomics-wise, it felt rather comfortable for me, but, having a long body meant I still had to hold it up a lot, I definitely need a pillow for it. However, I wasn't aching as much as I used to with my own horn. I noticed the slides are slightly nearer to the horn's body too, which felt comfortable to hold for me. Overall, I's say I like the ergonomics.

    The slides though, were insanely loose, it felt like I could move them by just staring at them. Maybe I need to find some thicker slide grease for them. The main tuning slide is the one I need to check on as it will slide in all the way after a while as I hold the horn towards my body a lot. The plus side is that it will probably be easy to have a trigger installed in the future. But I doubt it needs one (nice to have maybe)

    Intonation wise, most of them notes weren't terribly out of tune, they were easily lippable and they slot in beautifully. I've followed the tuning guide by Mr. Werden and have my 6th partial Eb, and G more or less in tune on default fingering. I was struggling quite a bit with those notes on my horn all these while so this was a huge surprise.

    The mouthpiece I'm using is the K&G 4D. I've tried the horn with a Wick 5AL too, and a fellow low brass player said it sounded darker with the 5AL, but I ended up still liking the K&G 4D more, but will keep experimenting and see.

    It was definitely a joy to play on this horn, but only time will tell if it's just a placebo effect of me gushing over a different instrument. Definitely experimenting on those two for a bit and see what comes out.

    Edit: used it for a concert today and got complimented by a number of members for the sound that came out of my bell, so I think I'm doing something right. My hunch is that it was easier to hear myself from behind the bell that I had an easier time coaxing the horn to do what I wanted it to do.
    Last edited by ChristianeSparkle; 09-22-2019 at 06:44 PM.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: Yamaha 642II Neo - 千歌音, JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

  9. #89
    After 2 more weeks of playing the Neo, it feels like I'm still not too used to the way it plays. The 6th partial G, Ab, A are quite hairy notes compared to the JP, it feels. I was confused for a few days when I tried to make an interval leap up to a 6th partial Ab but I would end up with an odd unusable note instead. I only realised after a few days that because of how easily note slots on the Neo, it was slotting down to an F# instead of the Ab that was in my mind, add that to me unconsciously lipping up to try and match the Ab in my mind and you get a very odd note. Maybe I've gotten lazy from the ease of playing in the lower register that I unconsciously stopped pushing hard enough to play in the higher register.

    For the very loose slides, after applying some Hetman #7 Slide Gel, it has gotten a little better. Still a risk of me accidentally pushing the tuning slide in with my belly but it's less frequent. Accidentally opening the spit valve with my belly and having my clothes stained though...is a whole different thing.
    "Never over complicate things. Accept "bad" days. And always enjoy yourself when playing, love the sound we can make on our instruments (because that's why we all started playing the Euphonium)"

    Euphonium: Yamaha 642II Neo - 千歌音, JP 274 MKII - 千歌
    Mouthpiece: K&G 4D, Denis Wick 5AL
    Gone but not forgotten: Yamaha EP100 - Euphy (Thank you for the past 15 years)

    https://soundcloud.com/ashsparkle_chika
    https://www.youtube.com/user/AshTSparkle/

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