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  1. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Call the Band Dept. at SELU and/or the tuba-euph instructor!!

    PS--Ya have to get up pretty early in the afternoon to outsmart me!! ;-)

  2. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    The B1110 I play on (school horn) resembles a 2280 and not a 321.


  3. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    I agree with BachB1110. I played a 321 in the beginning of 8th grade and a 1110 towards the end of 8th grade. Then when I got into high school I started playing a 2280. The B1110 like the 2280 is large shank and has the trigger on the the 3rd valve slide which I love, because it is almost semi compensating. The 321 is a small shank and does not have the 3rd valve slide trigger. All are wonderful "in line" non compensating horns though. If I had to rank the three I would probably go with:

    1. King 2280

    2. Yamaha 321

    3. Bach B1110

    The King gives such a nice dark tone and as I said I love the 3rd valve slide trigger and the fact that it is a large shank. Yamaha makes wonderful euphoniums, and the 321 is no exception, gives a very bright "singing" sound. The Bach B110 is similar to the 2280, but it is discontinued and I didn't find the tone as nice as the 2280 or 321. But to reiterate, these are probably the 3 best "in line" non compensating euphoniums, with the best being 2280, then 321, then B1110, and to clear this up for everyone, the B1110 resembles a 2280, not a 321.


  4. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Originally posted by: Euphinator
    ...then B1110,*and to clear this up for everyone, the B1110 resembles a 2280, not a 321.
    No, the B1110 IS EITHER A 2280 OR 321 DEPENDING ON WHEN AND WHERE IT WAS MADE!

    Sorry for the caps, but this comes up all the time with someone who's tried one of the horns and doesn't know about the other or someone who doesn't realize that they're playing a stencilled horn.

    The one you tried was made in the USA as a stencilled 2280. They used to be made in Japan as stencilled 321's.

    I don't know for sure if they're 100% identical to the 2280, some of the components may have been of different materials, perhaps a different leadpipe material. I don't have first hand experience with them and Conn Selmer never posted images of them

    The 321 clone is identical except for the valve caps. I used to play on one in 2002.

  5. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Oh I see, I played a B1110 last year (2010) and it definetly had the same features as a 2280 (large shank 3rd vavle trigger slide), but maybe the older ones resembled 321's, I'm not sure.


  6. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Originally posted by: Euphinator

    Oh I see, I played a B1110 last year (2010) and it definetly had the same features as a 2280 (large shank 3rd vavle trigger slide), but maybe the older ones resembled 321's, I'm not sure.
    Euphinator...now you got it. Yes...for a while the Bach 1110 was really a Yamaha 321S. I have seen and played these...Later on, the Bach 1110 was a King 2280 (by the way so was a Conn 19I). I have seen and played these as welll. Just to confuse everything, Holton sold a 4 valve euphonium that was a Yamaha 321 stencil...but Holton's had the large shank leadpipe off of the Yamaha 621. Thus it was the only large shank Yamaha 321 ever sold here in the US! Holton also sold a stencil of the Yamaha 211 American-style bell front baritone.

    Confused??? How about some Bundy baritones built in England by Besson!??? (That was a 1960's thing)

    Doug
    Sterling Virtuoso 1052HS & Adams E3 Prototype 0.70 Top Sprung valves
    Sterling Virtuoso 1050HS baritone & Conn 24I/25I euphonium
    New England Brass Band/New England Wind Symphony
    New England Tuba Quartet/Nashoba Valley Concert Band

  7. King 2280 vs. Bach B1110

    Originally posted by: daruby
    ...
    Holton sold a 4 valve euphonium that was a Yamaha 321 stencil...but Holton's had the large shank leadpipe off of the Yamaha 621. Thus it was the only large shank Yamaha 321 ever sold here in the US! Holton also sold a stencil of the
    ...
    Confused??? How about some Bundy baritones built in England by Besson!??? (That was a 1960's thing)



    Doug
    I've had a couple of the old Yamaha Holtons come in before but I believe they had small shank leadpipes. I haven't seen the older 321 stencils though, just the 201's.
    Holton's student tubas and euphs have been made by Weril in Brazil for the past several years where the 4v inline did have a large shank receiver and open leadpipe, are you sure that it was the Japanese Holtons with the large shank leadpipe and not a Brazilian?


    Bundy also had some Keilwerth made saxes that are gems.
    I've got a Kurath (Pre Willson) Silver 3v BBb tuba Stencilled as a Van Hall. Van Hall made a load of bad instruments in Holland. I thought it was a piece of poop until I polished enough black tarnish away to read Kurath.

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