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  • Pat
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 399

    Slide grease

    I tried to order some Fat Cat tuning slide grease from Woodwind and Brasswind and was informed that it can't be shipped via USPS to my APO address overseas because it is "hazardous material". Hmmm... Is there a decent substitute (like Vaseline) I can use while I try to find a brass instrument shop here in Italy and attempt to translate, "Do you carry slide grease?" into Italian?

    Thanks,

    Pat

    Sterling Virtuoso Euphonium, Denis Wick 4AL
  • RickF
    Moderator
    • Jan 2006
    • 3869

    #2
    Slide grease

    You can use Vaseline if you can't find anything else. Thats what we all used years ago and it worked pretty well. It can be a little stiff though.

    The product I use is Hetman's #7 (heavy grease), but I doubt you can find that in Italy. A frequent contributor in this forum - who goes by the handle 'Highams' and lives in England - had to order Hetman products through the internet and pay over seas shipping.

    You could look for Super Lube gell or grease. It's sold around the World I understand. It works really well, but too well on a couple of my slides. The 2nd slide would almost fall out at times.

    The 3oz tube looks like this:


    Rick Floyd
    Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

    "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
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    • WaltTrombone
      Member
      • Aug 2006
      • 42

      #3
      Slide grease

      You can find Super Lube in bicycle shops probably a lot easier than you can find it in a music shop.

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      • fsung
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 984

        #4
        Slide grease


        or a generic equivalent;


        (any non-detergent motor oil);


        (automotive bearing grease)

        and forget about overpriced "slide greases."

        Cheap, effective, and available darn near everywhere.

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        • knuxie
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 416

          #5
          Slide grease

          Anhydrous lanolin.

          It is water-based and can be found at any pharmacy.

          Ken F.

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          • Eupher6
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 452

            #6
            Slide grease

            Originally posted by: knuxie Anhydrous lanolin. It is water-based and can be found at any pharmacy. Ken F.
            Absolutely. A tub of that stuff cost me about $12 a number of years ago and I'll be dead long before I run out.

            The good thing about anhydrous lanolin is that it will not "creep" into valves, causing stickiness and sluggishness. Vaseline, in particular, is noted for "creep" - or at least I had problems with it.

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            Boosey & Co. Imperial Euph (built 1941)
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            • fsung
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 984

              #7
              Slide grease

              I have not used anhydrous lanolin so I can't speak from experience, but I have read several posts by reputable repair techs (like this one, for example) who warn that anhydrous lanolin can dry out, freezing the slides quite effectively.

              I suspect that this would not be much of an issue if one were regularly cleaning and re-lubing the slides, but it does suggest that it would be prudent to clean the slides thoroughly (both inners and outers) if the horn will be sitting unplayed for any appreciable length of time.

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              • Eupher6
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 452

                #8
                Slide grease

                When Lee Stofer says he had a problem, I can believe it. Lee and I both served in the Army at the same time, though not in the same band. He was as well-respected then as he is now.

                Since I play my horns every day (euph and bass trombone, leaving my tenor trombone sitting there with a forlorn look most days), I don't have a problem with slides drying out.

                I will admit, however, that anhydrous lanolin is pretty stiff stuff and I can see it drying out and becoming a problem. I wouldn't want to go through what Lee went through to extract the slides.

                At the time I bought the anhydrous lanolin, some of those newer things weren't on the market. The choices were pretty much to use Vaseline (not an option for me), slide grease (still leery because of creep) or anhydrous lanolin (cheap and no creep). Let's see what the Hetman's will do.

                U.S. Army, Retired (built mid-1950s)
                Adams E2 Euph (built 2017)
                Boosey & Co. Imperial Euph (built 1941)
                Edwards B454 Bass Trombone (built 2012)
                Boosey & Hawkes Imperial Eb tuba (built 1958)
                Kanstul 33-T lBBb tuba (built 2010)

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                • RickF
                  Moderator
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 3869

                  #9
                  Slide grease

                  I've heard a number of folks swear by STP oil treatment as a good slide grease. I'm just not keen on the possibility of breathing in any of those vapors. I don't on purpose breathe in through my horn, but in taking a quick breath, I might get some through the horn.

                  There's a T-bone player that sits behind me that REALLY breathes in through his horn. I can hear this big 'whoosh' when he's getting ready to play a phrase.

                  I've been using Hetman's #7 slide grease for quite awhile without any complaints.
                  Rick Floyd
                  Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

                  "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
                  Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

                  El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
                  The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
                  Festive Overture(Dmitri Shostakovich)

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                  • rblockwood
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 5

                    #10
                    Slide grease

                    I've been using SuperSlick (trombone hand slide cream) on my Besson 967 for quite a while with good results. I have no clue (or interest) in its chemical composition but have had no trouble with good creeping into the valves.

                    FWIW - YMMV.

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                    • iRabb
                      Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 74

                      #11
                      Slide grease

                      For my money, the best is Schilke Slide Grease, but before I discovered that, I used gun grease. Comes in a tube, not expensive, plenty thick, good lubricity, and has additives that protect metal. I think I used Outers or Hoppes, but I don't think you will find much difference between brands.

                      Ben

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                      • coeuphplayer
                        Member
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 93

                        #12
                        Slide grease

                        I've had great results with Fat Cat tuning slide grease

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                        • majorchubbs
                          Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 56

                          #13
                          Slide grease

                          I have had good results with gun grease or the selmer red grease.

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                          • iMav
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 1322

                            #14
                            Slide grease

                            Originally posted by: Pat I tried to order some Fat Cat tuning slide grease from Woodwind and Brasswind and was informed that it can't be shipped via USPS to my APO address overseas because it is "hazardous material". Hmmm... Is there a decent substitute (like Vaseline) I can use while I try to find a brass instrument shop here in Italy and attempt to translate, "Do you carry slide grease?" into Italian?
                            PM me your shipping address and I'll drop some in the mail for you.

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