Leaky valves = no problem????

[catto09]

Brian bowman on youtube

That isn't what i meant. And i'm not denying he's a good euphonium player - but what i mean is that the standard set in those videos are low. He does look very much like he's not trying...that's why i said let me hear other recordings. And it's not just one or two bum notes. There's at least 4 in each piece...And as far as the two videos by steven mead and david childs go. Please do give them both to Brian Bowman. We'll see what he comes out with. I am fully aware that everyone makes mistakes - I have said to many people that David Child has bad habbits in his fingering technique. But his tone wipes that out - that is THE british signature of a great tone. Steven Mead's tone is a lot brighter than Davids, which isn't to my taste, but his technique is amazing - quite honestly the best i've seen. But then again, Steven Mead likes to show off ALOT...whereas The Childs brothers are very noble with their talents. That last glissando in flight of the bumblebee is effect though - i've seen the notation

[GregEuphonium]

Brian bowman on youtube

Well, I definitely agree that Britain does have a high standard of Euphonium playing. However, to say that Dr. Bowman is not all that special... well, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Did he play some "bum notes" in those videos? Yes, he did... But, no performance is ever perfect. Even the very very best among us make a mistake now and then... So he fracked a few notes, but compared to how many notes he played that were spot on (especially in the 2nd and 3rd variation of Carnival of Venice and in the Bach Cello suite) is it really that big of a deal?

Watch this video of Steven Mead playing Harlequin by Philip Sparke with the Italian Police Band...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlrU9HDvmNQ
he fracked a few notes, but I doubt that any of us would judge that performance as anything but exceptional.

Also watch this video of David Childs playing Flight of the Bumblee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBICFGYL74
He fracked the Eb at 1:08. Also, on the very last chromatic run upto Eb he didn't actually play any of the notes above high Ab (it looks like his fingers got away from him), he just held down first valve and made a big glissando upto the Eb. Despite those "errors" I don't think that anyone would say that he wasn't fantastic.

The point... Errors happen. David Childs, Steven Mead, David Thorton, Brian Bowman, Adam Frey, Demondrae Thurman, the list goes on... they all make mistakes. I'm sure that even Dave Werden makes a mistake once every couple of years, haha. Just because someone fracked a note doesn't mean that he/she isn't an amazing musician.

[catto09]

Brian bowman on youtube

I appologise greatly to all you BB fans - but tbh...he's not all that special...I've noticed the standard seems higher in Britain. In those three videos he seems to make an awful lot of bum notes. Find me a video/audio file with him playing his best and my opinion may differ...

[sam]

What makes it good

EVEN I WONDER WHAT MAKES IT SOUND SO GUD

[Sabutin]

BREAKTHROUGH!!! (I have finally broken the embouchure code.)

Just as a little sideline to all of this...after 7 pages, a couple of thousand views, 20 really interested posters and basically two hostile, stick-in-the-mud opponents, the lovely people who run TubeNet canned this topic there. Without even the courtesy of a notice.

That site makes the stiff old Online Trombone Journal look like a den of anarchists.

So it goes.

Gotta have dinosaurs as well as the new, I suppose.

Later...

S.

[davewerden]

BREAKTHROUGH!!! (I have finally broken the embouchure code.)

RE: TubeNet...

It's a tough business, managing a forum. We do try to keep out commercial-type posts, especially when they are not really on target to the nature of the forum. Frankly, I took a close look at your post because it had a few items that raised a mental flag. First, it was clearly promoting something of "yours" in some sense. Second, and equally flaggish, is the fact that you had no history on the forum. Third, there were several external links in your post, which can be a good thing or a not-so-good thing.

You can imagine, I'm sure, what the motivation is. We want to keep the forum a safe place (free of scams) and a place rich with information of interest to the audience and with little "clutter" that is too far off topic. It can be hard, as a moderator, to immediately know if a new user's post is "legit" or not.

It is a little surprising that you apparently had an active thread going on TubeNet that was taken down after time. Perhaps the moderator thought it was either creating the wrong kind of turmoil or that it was dilluting the paid sponsorships in some way.

In any case, I've shared my insight about what we look for in general. We'll probably guess wrong in either direction now and then, but we try to do our best.

I enjoyed the Clark Terry clinic, by the way.

[Sabutin]

BREAKTHROUGH!!! (I have finally broken the embouchure code.)

Originally posted by: davewerden RE: TubeNet...



It's a tough business, managing a forum. We do try to keep out commercial-type posts, especially when they are not really on target to the nature of the forum. Frankly, I took a close look at your post because it had a few items that raised a mental flag. First, it was clearly promoting something of "yours" in some sense.

Only in the fact that "I" have discovered it. After 40 years of searching. I offer my ideas here in exchange for one thing and one thing only...dialogue.

Second, and equally flaggish, is the fact that you had no history on the forum.

Do a google search for 27,600 hits and counting. I have been posting on various trombone forums and mailing lists regularly for almost 10 years now.

Third, there were several external links in your post, which can be a good thing or a not-so-good thing.

It all depends on what is on those links, doesn't it? No cut-rate ****** offers, were there?

You can imagine, I'm sure, what the motivation is. We want to keep the forum a safe place (free of scams) and a place rich with information of interest to the audience and with little "clutter" that is too far off topic. It can be hard, as a moderator, to immediately know if a new user's post is "legit" or not.

I trust that you have figured it out by now, right? Considering the depth of knowledge that should have been perfectly apparent in the OP, why would anyone entertain serious suspicions of anything other than a frank attempt to impart and share knowledge? Have we become so paranoid that everything is suspect now?

It is a little surprising that you apparently had an active thread going on TubeNet that was taken down after time. Perhaps the moderator thought it was either creating the wrong kind of turmoil or that it was dilluting the paid sponsorships in some way.

I quote a very well known orchestral tubist and conservatory-based teacher who is an old friend of mine. I emailed him about the matter and this was his...obviously quite on target...answer:

That's bizarre. did you save the emails or posts? never heard of such a thing but I never post there because it is loaded with strange people who pontificate and don't play....Really odd. Tubaists are totally odd.

(From davewerden) In any case, I've shared my insight about what we look for in general. We'll probably guess wrong in either direction now and then, but we try to do our best.

As do we all.

I enjoyed the Clark Terry clinic, by the way.

Great.

Did you look into the technique I described in the OP?

S.

[Eupher6]

A tale of a future music ed major and TWO Bessons

Originally posted by: daruby

Originally posted by: JTJ Well, with trepidation, I will comment that it seems to me, on quick reading, that Doug is talking about washing the instrument at home. And denNIS is talking about professional cleaning, where one professional cleaning = multiple bathtub cleanings at home.

Boy!...Yes I was talking about washing at home. And yes I am sure that chemicals would clean a material that is not water soluable better than soap and water, but I do not have quick and ready access to a shop where I can get a chem cleaning. The nearest reputable shop (OSMUN Music) charges several hundred dollars for a chemical cleaning ($149 for a silver trumpet and $85/valve for piston tubas). As my dad was a band director, he taught me how to self-maintain horns when I was 11 years old. I have been washing horns at home for nearly 50 years. I prefer to do my own cleaning. This is less efficient than a professional job, but then again I get to commune with my bathtub and dissasemble my horn every few months!! Both denNIS and I are speaking the truth as we see it. We both say the same thing...New horns need to be carefully cleaned. This is not a flame war...Guys, chill! Doug

Unfortunately, Doug, Felix's post came to me via email and as I'm assuming that you're the one who deleted it here, I thought you might want to know that.

This is not the first time that Felix and I have had a "spirited discussion". I find it surprising that you think that exchange was "flaming". That type of discourse didn't even come close to approximating "flaming" where I come from, but whatever.

No, the fact is, Felix blundered into a sidebar discussion that didn't involve him at all until he made it his business to do so.

But, as you're the mod here, I'll stand down after this post. If that isn't good enough, go ahead and ban me.

[Nuck81]

A tale of a future music ed major and TWO Bessons

This thread makes me feel slightly uncomfortable!!!



I don't really think it is worth this much tension.



Bottom line: Cleaning your horn is good!!!