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  • davewerden
    Administrator
    • Nov 2005
    • 11138

    Recorders and Microphones

    [UPDATED AUG. 07]
    I have recently started using my Edirol R-09 digital recorder and find it easier to use than the Sony Mini-Disc. The Edirol comes with built-in stereo mics, or you can use an external mic or a line input. It has a recording sensitivity control and can use either automatic or manual recording level control. The recordings are captured on standard SD cards (such as digital cameras use). You can record in 44.1 or 48kHz sample rates as WAV (full digital), or in various compression levels of MP3 (to save storage space). Most modern computers can accept the SD cards, so you can plug your recording right into your PC and grab the recording as though it were just another file. If your computer doesn't read SD cards, the recorder comes with a USB cable you can use to transfer files. Here is a photo:



    The recorder is only a bit larger than a standard cassette flip-box. Combined with the all-in-one Sony microphone, it makes for a very portable outfit.



    I have also used it to record LP's into digital format. I just hook up the Edirol to my line output and record away. This recorder and the larger Sony mic listed below are what I used to record Till There Was You, which is found in the Downloads for Members Only section of this forum.

    Edirol Digital Stereo Recorder]

    Sony makes 2 very nice stereo mics. The first is about the size of a very small hand-held vocal mic and is about $70:
    Sony Stereo Mic, small size

    The other mic is more like the size of a large hand-held vocal mic (it is shown in the photo above). It features a rotating capsule so you can use it easily at 2 different angles and has a wide-or-narrow angle stereo setting. The mic uses a matrix system of figure-8-plus-mono to capture the stereo sound, which is the same system I used to use with the U.S. Coast Guard Band in a very expensive Neumann mic:
    Larger Stereo Mic
    Dave Werden (ASCAP)
    Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
    Adams Artist (Adams E3)
    Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
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  • AussieTuba
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 2

    #2
    Sony Recorders and Microphones

    Dwerden I am gald you have mentiond this as I use one myself. I use it to record the compeptitio and concerts I play in. The records are indeed compact and are easy to use.

    I would certainly recomened to any one of these little gems.

    Aussietuba (Allan)

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    • Euphist
      Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 62

      #3
      Sony Recorders and Microphones

      how would you record your concert? would you hide it in your pocket?

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      • davewerden
        Administrator
        • Nov 2005
        • 11138

        #4
        Sony Recorders and Microphones

        Originally posted by: Euphist

        how would you record your concert? would you hide it in your pocket?
        NO! If the mic is anywhere near you, the recording won't sound right. You need to get the mic out front, not too far away, not too close. Then you will have a good sound. A $20,000 pro recorder and mic will sound awful if you have it sitting close to you.
        Dave Werden (ASCAP)
        Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
        Adams Artist (Adams E3)
        Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
        YouTube: dwerden
        Facebook: davewerden
        Twitter: davewerden
        Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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        • ydave
          Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 142

          #5
          Sony Recorders and Microphones

          Dave.......

          What are the options for recording myself at home to get an idea of how I'm sounding:

          -to compare different interpritations of my solos
          -on different instruments
          -on different mouth pieces
          -and as a practice aid to record up to 4 individual tracks of my self playing similtainoiusly.

          All the Best
          YDave
          Current Euphs:
          York Eminence
          Boosey & Hawkes Sovereign (Round Stamp/ Globe)
          Boosey & Hawkes Imperial
          Plus an attic of old classics in various states of repair!
          Previous Euphs:

          Besson Prestige (German)
          Geneva Symphony
          Wilson 2900 with Eminence leadpipe
          Sterling Virtuoso (300 mm heavy red brass bell)
          Cortios 167 II
          'Gob Iron': Doug Elliott Euph 104 I 9s (plus a few others!)

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          • BrandonJones
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 316

            #6
            Recorders and Microphones

            Just recently purchased a Zoom H4n, and I HIGHLY recommend it for recording all levels of performances, live or studio-based. It is the best I've seen for recording brass in particular.
            Brandon Jones
            Principal Euphonium - The United States Air Force Band, Washington, D.C.
            bmjones82@gmail.com

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            • JorgEuphonium
              Member
              • May 2008
              • 85

              #7
              Recorders and Microphones

              Originally posted by: BrandonJones

              Just recently purchased a Zoom H4n, and I HIGHLY recommend it for recording all levels of performances, live or studio-based. It is the best I've seen for recording brass in particular.
              Hello Brandon!
              I am interested in the recorder, how much is it?
              Thank you

              Jorge
              Jorge Estruch: Euphonium, trombone & tuba teacher/Euphonium player

              Euph: Besson Prestige 2052-2
              Mpc: ​Denis Wick 4AL

              Twitter: @jorgeuphonium
              Instagram: @jorge_estruch
              Youtube:
              https://www.youtube.com/user/JorgEuphonium

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              • davewerden
                Administrator
                • Nov 2005
                • 11138

                #8
                Recorders and Microphones

                The current price is $340.29 on my TubaEuph store.

                Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                YouTube: dwerden
                Facebook: davewerden
                Twitter: davewerden
                Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                • RickF
                  Moderator
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 3871

                  #9
                  Recorders and Microphones

                  Here's a link to CNET's review on the Zoom H4n

                  CNET review of Zoom H4n
                  Rick Floyd
                  Miraphone 5050 - Warburton BJ / RF mpc

                  "Always play with a good tone, never louder than lovely, never softer than supported." - author unknown.
                  Symphonic Band of the Palm Beaches

                  El Cumbanchero (Raphael Hernandez, arr. Naohiro Iwai)
                  The Cowboys (John Williams, arr. James Curnow)
                  Festive Overture (Dmitri Shostakovich)

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                  • Nuck81
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 169

                    #10
                    Recorders and Microphones

                    So I've been doing some recordings (duets with myself, solo's, guitar etc..) in the program Garageband with my Macbook. The only problem is that no matter what I do and how low I set the input level the built in Mic distorts like crazy. I would also like to make some videos using the built in camera.



                    Would any of these mics plug directly into the Mac using either USB or even the standard Microphone jack?



                    The one Dave showed (Sony stereo mic) looked great but I want to make sure it will plug straight in before I spring for it...

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                    • fsung
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 984

                      #11
                      Recorders and Microphones

                      Originally posted by: Nuck81

                      So I've been doing some recordings (duets with myself, solo's, guitar etc..) in the program Garageband with my Macbook.  The only problem is that no matter what I do and how low I set the input level the built in Mic distorts like crazy.
                      Are you adjusting the input level in the Sound Pref Pane or in Garageband? If you're adjusting it in Garageband, you need to adjust it in the Sound Pref Pane as well. The default setting is for speech with the speaker at a distance of ~28" from the screen, so the sound pressure will be way too high if you don't adjust the input level before attempting to record a wind instrument.

                      Also, instead of recording direct to Garageband, record in QuickTime Player and import the track into GarageBand. QT offers more precise control of gain than Garageband.

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                      • Nuck81
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 169

                        #12
                        Recorders and Microphones

                        I had both on 2%, was across the living room and still getting distortion on high concert G, A, and Bb. The only thing that stopped it was muting the euph with my towel down the bell, but we all know that is not ideal.



                        I'll try using quicktime though, that hadn't occured to me.



                        Edit: Found a Samson Go Mic, for $36 on Amazon. It even has a clip to go on the end of the bell.



                        Samson Go Mic






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                        • daruby
                          Moderator
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2217

                          #13
                          Recorders and Microphones

                          Euphonium is notoriously difficult to record with in a confined setting since it has SOO many overtones. Euphonium will often overdrive the microphones (regardless of gain setting). I had this problem with my Zoom H2. I found that when I record in a large room where I can move the recorder a good distance away from the horn and also get a longer distance for sound to reflect rather than a direct line from the bell, it works better. I also have a couple of old battery powered TEAC mic's that I used to use with a good cassette recorder many years ago. These work quite well.

                          Doug
                          Adams E3 0.60 Sterling bell - Prototype top sprung valves
                          Concord Band
                          Winchendon Winds
                          Townsend Military Band

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                          • Nuck81
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 169

                            #14
                            Recorders and Microphones

                            The Go Mic works outstanding. It is exactly what I was after. I haven't tried recording in tracks yet, so I don't know how much of an input delay there is, but the recorded sound is really good for $30 USB mic.

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                            • Nuck81
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 169

                              #15
                              Recorders and Microphones

                              So now that Lost is over I've been playing around with the new mic. There is no delay at all really and I was able to lay down tracks pretty easy in garage band.



                              I made a quick video using one of the Duets out of the Carl Fischer Book. If you need a small mic for playing around like I do, this thing is outstanding...



                              Fanfare Minuet

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