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    The KELLY 5G is the closest off the shelf part...

    The KELLY 5G is the closest off the shelf part that I know of (haven't tested Schilke or Willson), but you are correct. Proper Besson medium shank is roughly 11.7mm @ 1:19 (probably .460" @ 3 degree...
  2. How to: Tilt to Upright Bell conversion the easy way (Besson or Conn!)

    So in this thread, I'm going to demonstrate the most sacrilegious method of converting your removable bell Besson Euphonium or (spoilers) Conn Euphonium, to an upright bell with the minimum amount of...
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    The 24I, 25I, 4I, and 5I all use what I call...

    The 24I, 25I, 4I, and 5I all use what I call Connstellation Euphonium shank. It is roughly equivalent to Besson medium shank, but not compatible. Actual measurement is 11.8mm @ 1:20. The 4I and 5I...
  4. All of these were custom order, but the cost is...

    All of these were custom order, but the cost is quite affordable, and it's very easy to order from them. Maybe a bit slow at times depending on how busy they are, but that's how it goes. You're not...
  5. I have successfully had made and tested: JK...

    I have successfully had made and tested:
    JK Exclusive EU 12B 11.8
    JK Exclusive 1B 8.0 11.8 - giga throat Tenor Tuba mouthpiece what for barking
    10.8mm to 11.8mm adapter - I have both the 25I and...
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    There are far more factors that affect...

    There are far more factors that affect intonation. If the only thing that had to happen was that the length of the instrument had to be right, and the player just had to provide enough energy, then...
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    Yes, I know. What I don't know is if it's...

    Yes, I know.



    What I don't know is if it's possible to alter these tendencies with something like lefreque plates.
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    Do you still have the old mouthpiece for a quick...

    Do you still have the old mouthpiece for a quick test? It would be something really interesting to me if the "snake oil" type solutions were responsible. When I saw this thread, I tested the note...
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    The old school derpy 4-valver with the tuning...

    The old school derpy 4-valver with the tuning slide leadpipe is a Bb Baritone, not a Euphonium, and therefore (without even playing it) it goes immediately into the do-not-recommend pile. I have...
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    Now these are the details that catch the...

    Now these are the details that catch the attention of my inner nerd. Modern instrument behaviors are good, but they must not be perfect because this is very naughty.

    For that specific B natural...
  11. This is just kind of fun fact information not...

    This is just kind of fun fact information not really worthy of its own thread, so I guess I'll post it here.

    Got the 25I bell and have done plenty of "testing". It's surprising to say the least. ...
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    I'm actually interested to know this, as well. ...

    I'm actually interested to know this, as well. It seems like the standard for "in tune" ranges wildly depending on the context. I've heard some people complain about authentic baroque music (sounds...
  13. I know you didn't ask me, but while we wait for a...

    I know you didn't ask me, but while we wait for a good response I'll offer up a bit of experience from my world of making stupid custom mouthpieces.

    A lot of the difference that you experience...
  14. Connstellation 25I bell for cheap (11 3/4")

    Get it while it's hot! (not mine)

    SOLD

    Not sure why this is still available. Not even 60 bucks? There were two, but I bought the other one as soon as I saw it. The modern removeable bells...
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    Maybe this is off-topic, but have you ever tried...

    Maybe this is off-topic, but have you ever tried any other similar instruments to compare this with? I remember playing a King 1124 at MMEA as a highschooler and I was ready to tuck that thing under...
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    For the sort of context you're talking about,...

    For the sort of context you're talking about, plenty of players would just go with an American Euphonium. Use a mouthpiece more suitable for Trombone, like a 5G or 6.5AL to add some pep to the...
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    Italy had (has?) ensembles with instruments like...

    Italy had (has?) ensembles with instruments like this that would roughly translate to Alto Flugelhorn. Outside of that, the German would be Althorn in Trompetenform. The obsession with crazy...
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    I know it wouldn't work for the sake of...

    I know it wouldn't work for the sake of consistency in this specific testing regimen, but it'd be cool to see how this horn is effected by changes in mouthpiece cup-throat ratio (however you want to...
  19. It is the second valve slide. It just looks...

    It is the second valve slide. It just looks really long. From the bottom view, you can see there is barely any pull for it. With no bends, a 9'Bb second valve slide is a pretty decent length. The...
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    For better or worse, that is the best way to shop...

    For better or worse, that is the best way to shop for mouthpieces. Luckily, most brass instruments and mouthpieces are made well enough that there is some hope of them actually working. I'm an...
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    Umm...maybe your 51D not large shank? I know...

    Umm...maybe your 51D not large shank? I know that Schilke used to make some long shank mouthpieces that would supposedly work in either a large shank or Remington shank Trombone, but I've never had...
  22. I recommend something like the Neotech brass...

    I recommend something like the Neotech brass sling. I'm not a very tall guy, and I still can't imagine finding a comfortable way to hold a 20I with it propped on something. But if you attach your...
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    Without seeing the valves in their current...

    Without seeing the valves in their current condition, it's hard to say what is supposed to be going on, but usually these old horns have a lot of old hardened cork which makes a ton of noise. If you...
  24. Connstellation shank is 11.8mm @ 1:20. The only...

    Connstellation shank is 11.8mm @ 1:20. The only thing off the shelf that I know of fitting decently is the KELLY medium shank. It's not perfect, but it's close enough to count, and you could do a...
  25. Most people have a hard time identifying...

    Most people have a hard time identifying instruments at the basic level. Not surprised that they don't care about gear.

    RE: "___ bore"
    I absolutely despise this usage of terminology to refer to...
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