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  • tkernea04
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2019
    • 7

    Euph Suggestions.

    Hi all, I'm currently a student in High School and was wondering what some good brands are for a euph if I were to purchase one? Thanks in advance!
  • dsurkin
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2014
    • 526

    #2
    Originally posted by tkernea04 View Post
    Hi all, I'm currently a student in High School and was wondering what some good brands are for a euph if I were to purchase one? Thanks in advance!
    There's a wealth of information in this forum on various makes and models. I think you should consider your budget and how serious you are - is this to be an instrument to carry you through a college music program. My perception is that there are three budget levels: $1,000 to $2,000, $3,000 to $4,000, and $7,000 to $10,000. People with better knowledge should chime in. Within each budget level, there are fine horns. I know that my euphonium, which cost me just under $1,000, has been serving me well in a community band. My section mates play Yamaha and Besson (two top-level horns), and within the limits of my ability, the tone blends in well.
    Dean L. Surkin
    Mack Brass MACK-EU1150S, BB1 mouthpiece
    Bach 36B trombone; Bach 6.5AL and Faxx 7C mouthpieces (pBone on loan to granddaughter)
    Steinway 1902 Model A, restored by AC Pianocraft in 1988; Kawai MP8, Yamaha KX-76
    See my avatar: Jazz (the black cockapoo; RIP) and Delilah (the cavapoo) keep me company while practicing

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    • mbrooke
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 401

      #3
      Originally posted by tkernea04 View Post
      Hi all, I'm currently a student in High School and was wondering what some good brands are for a euph if I were to purchase one? Thanks in advance!
      In the post above, Dean makes very good points. Also, are you just looking at new horns or would you consider pre-owned (sounds better than used)?

      Mike

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      • tkernea04
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2019
        • 7

        #4
        Have no preference over used or new

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        • davewerden
          Administrator
          • Nov 2005
          • 11138

          #5
          Can you tell us...

          What is your budget?

          Are you going on to music in college?

          What are your plans for playing after college?
          Dave Werden (ASCAP)
          Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
          Adams Artist (Adams E3)
          Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
          YouTube: dwerden
          Facebook: davewerden
          Twitter: davewerden
          Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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          • tbonesullivan
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2019
            • 155

            #6
            What kind of Euphonium are you currently playing, and what is your level of experience?

            For people starting out, can't go wrong with finding a used Yamaha YEP-321.
            Sterling / Perantucci 1065HGS Euphonium, 1952 B&H Imperial Eb Tuba, and a bunch of trombones.

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            • tkernea04
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2019
              • 7

              #7
              Originally posted by davewerden View Post
              Can you tell us...

              What is your budget?

              Are you going on to music in college?

              What are your plans for playing after college?
              Unsure of my exact budget, but i'm planning on studying to become a band director in the future

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              • tkernea04
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2019
                • 7

                #8
                Originally posted by tbonesullivan View Post
                What kind of Euphonium are you currently playing, and what is your level of experience?

                For people starting out, can't go wrong with finding a used Yamaha YEP-321.
                Currently playing a school owned Besson, unsure of what model exactly, and i've been playing since the 6th grade if that gives anything.

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                • davewerden
                  Administrator
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 11138

                  #9
                  The suggestion above for a Yamaha 321 is a good suggestion and generally considered "safe" for anyone who does not want to be a pro player or serious soloist.

                  Having said that, there are some newer (often original) solos that really benefit from a compensating system. Plus your Besson MAY be compensating. If it is 4-valve and compensating, it will have an extra set of slides coming from the rear of each of valve 1, 2, 3. If you are used to a horn like that, the 321 may feel limiting.

                  The King 2280 is also a safe choice. It is non-comp, like the 321, but uses a large shank mouthpiece and has a bigger sound. There are well-priced examples of each in our For Sale section right now:

                  http://www.dwerden.com/forum/forumdi...-Wanted-to-Buy
                  Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                  Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                  Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                  Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                  YouTube: dwerden
                  Facebook: davewerden
                  Twitter: davewerden
                  Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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                  • Arnbone Euph
                    Member
                    • Jan 2019
                    • 125

                    #10
                    Suggest the John Packer JP274S euphonium. Can be bought new in the $1500 range (such as through DF Music). Some colleges, including Ole Miss, list is as an acceptable low-priced pro-level horn.
                    Arnold (Arnie) Williams
                    Sterling Virtuoso Euphonium with Gold Brass bell (Capitol Pops Band, Capitol Pops Tuba Euphonium Quartet)
                    Yamaha YBH-831S Neo Baritone Horn (Joyous Brass, First Baritone)
                    Yamaha YBH-301M Marching Baritone (Ophir Prison Marching Kazoo Band and Temperance Society LMTD)
                    Yamaha YEP-830 Xeno Bass Trombone (Sacramento Concert Band)
                    Euphonium: DW Heritage 4AL (main); K&G 3D (Ophir Prison Band)
                    Bass Trombone: Ferguson M Series Jeff Reynolds

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                    • tkernea04
                      Junior Member
                      • Dec 2019
                      • 7

                      #11
                      Originally posted by davewerden View Post
                      The suggestion above for a Yamaha 321 is a good suggestion and generally considered "safe" for anyone who does not want to be a pro player or serious soloist.

                      Having said that, there are some newer (often original) solos that really benefit from a compensating system. Plus your Besson MAY be compensating. If it is 4-valve and compensating, it will have an extra set of slides coming from the rear of each of valve 1, 2, 3. If you are used to a horn like that, the 321 may feel limiting.

                      The King 2280 is also a safe choice. It is non-comp, like the 321, but uses a large shank mouthpiece and has a bigger sound. There are well-priced examples of each in our For Sale section right now:

                      http://www.dwerden.com/forum/forumdi...-Wanted-to-Buy
                      The Besson model I play currently is compensating, and I believe it may be an older sovereign model, but i'm unsure on that one.

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                      • tbonesullivan
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2019
                        • 155

                        #12
                        Originally posted by tkernea04 View Post
                        The Besson model I play currently is compensating, and I believe it may be an older sovereign model, but i'm unsure on that one.
                        In that case, I would decide on a budget, and look for a used compensating euphonium. There are a good number of Besson horns from the past 50 or so years floating around. Dillon Music had a few several months ago, around 2000-2500, but they are all now sold. If you need to upgrade later, you'll get much more of a return on the investment than from buying a step up horn.
                        Sterling / Perantucci 1065HGS Euphonium, 1952 B&H Imperial Eb Tuba, and a bunch of trombones.

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                        • guidocorona
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2018
                          • 483

                          #13
                          Hello BoneSullivan, a reasonably priced alternative to the multi-decade used Besson option may be the upcoming Wessex Sinfonico EP600H. This is a new hand-made eupo designed by Wessex and manufactured by hand in China.

                          The instrument is discussed at:

                          http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthr...o#.XeqHwpDtzed

                          AEP600 is priced at $2995 for February 2020 deliveries, and you will find its home page at:

                          https://wessex-tubas.com/collections...nfonico-ep600h

                          David Werden's early impressions of a Sinfonico prototype are at:

                          http://www.dwerden.com/forum/entry.p...Made-Euphonium

                          Regards, G.
                          M5050L - DC2&3, SM2&4U, BT16, Carbonaria Heavy & New
                          Wessex EP104 Festivo - available
                          Carolbrass CCR7772 Bb cornet - Available

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                          • davewerden
                            Administrator
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 11138

                            #14
                            I agree with the 2 suggestions above. Either a used compensating instrument or the new Wessex will satisfy you better if you have been playing a Besson (especially a Sovereign).

                            One of our members has a used York in the For Sale section. The might also suit you, because it was the "next phase" of original Besson production, so to speak.
                            Dave Werden (ASCAP)
                            Euphonium Soloist, U.S. Coast Guard Band, retired
                            Adams Artist (Adams E3)
                            Alliance Mouthpiece DC3, Wick 4AL, Wick 4ABL
                            YouTube: dwerden
                            Facebook: davewerden
                            Twitter: davewerden
                            Instagram: davewerdeneuphonium

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